Tuesday, July 19, 2005

THE FULL BROWN-PISTONS STORY

If you look below you will see a web log I wrote on the Detroit News site back in November. I published it with the intention to republish it again this summer to let you know that the Larry Brown drama has been going on longer than you think.
I wrote the blog the day after I talked to one of his buddies in the league. He told me back then that Brown was going to retire. Now I did not say his buddy told me Brown was thinking of retiring. He told me he WAS going to retire.
It already was a done deal. Brown just needed to figure a way out.
The word filtered back to the Pistons and they began making mental notes for a contingency plan for life without Brown.
Brown will tell you he won't coach the Pistons because Pistons President Joe Dumars and owner Bill Davidson did not want him. He wants it to seem as if he is being pushed out.
The way I look at it is Brown already had one leg out the door. The Pistons gave him a forceful push into the streets when he did not guarantee he would sit at the dinner table.
You all came in on the story late. This has been brewing for eight months. After publishing the web log Mike and I did a full Sports Inferno Show (10-1 on AM 1270 The Sports Station) on how Brown was not returning next season. A bunch of you did not believe us. Many of you did. It wasn't until weeks later that others picked up on it.
The Pistons were agitated with Brown and refused to wait him out following his health issues. You can argue that they could have given the best coach in the NBA more time. They were not willing because in their minds Brown was leaving any way. Dumars and Davidson felt they had waited long enough.
Davidson demanded that Brown guarantee that he could give his all to the Pistons next season.
Brown said he planned on coaching the Pistons.
He said he wanted to coach the Pistons.
But he could never guarantee he would be there for training camp, 82 games and the playoffs.
That is when interrogation turned to buy out. And that only happened over the weekend.
The Pistons know they are taking a step down by having Flip Saunders coach the team rather than Brown. This is not a debate of Brown against Saunders. The Pistons were fearful that if they waited too long they might have to settle for Flip Wilson.
You will hear many versions of Brown vs. Pistons. I respect what others have to say. But this is my version.
My version is based on an eight month squabble between the Pistons and Brown, not the one you've heard about the last three months.

80 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had not read your article back in November, but it did not surprise me when all of the media hype started during the playoffs. After the brawl, Larry Brown was quoted as saying he wanted to leave. Yet everyone penned it as an emotional reaction to the brawl. People will argue and speculate all they want, but the truth is that Larry Brown has always known what he wanted to do and made it obvious to all. Everyone was just in denial, including the Pistons.


-Heidi

7:56 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

heidi,
I think the Pistons knew early in the season what Brown wanted to do. That is why they had informal meetings about a replacement. They'd already been burned by Allan Houston, Grant Hill and Doug Collins. They did not want to be caught with their pants down again. LB wanted out. I am convinced of that.

8:01 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

T Foster...

You mention retire, will LB coach the Knicks?

A man his age can't wait for his dream job to come around again, it is staring him in the face with a giant paycheck. Does this motivation not play into the equation?

8:07 AM

 
Blogger dt said...

T -

I doubt we will ever know the full story on this one (unless you finally decide to write your book on the Pistons!!!), but I still think we need to take the November story with a grain of salt.

Back then, LB was fried. He had gone from the NBA Championships to the bad Olympic experience, directly to training camp. He had been coaching virtually non-stop since he had signed with Detroit.

Now, October and November roll around and here you have a 64 year old man already tired and now facing serious health problems. It's not surprising that he would be contemplating retirement (at the time).

I just happen to believe that he changed his mind since then and truly wants to continue coaching. The only question is where.

Now let's also factor in the Palace egos. Sure, it's November and Larry is thinking about leaving. wants to leave. (Remember, there were also serious reports he contemplated retiring after the Championship last year, too) You know better than anyone that if anyhone leaves the Palace empire, it's going to be on Palace terms and not anyone else's.

But there was absolutely no reason for anyone at 4 Champsionship Drive to become offended and being the smear and leak campaign that took place in the subsequent months. And don't forgot for a moment the pre-existing relationship between Dan Gilbert (Rock Financial - HUGE Pistons' sponsor) and Tommy Wilson. The Cleveland "job" was a set-up from the beginning.

Hence the saga began back in November. I just happen to be one of those that will always believe it was Tommy W. and Billy D. that dictated how this would turn out. LB is not innocent by any stretch, but the bottom line is that if he wants to coach (even if he missed training camp and the first month or so of the season), then he should be the coach.

8:07 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

I can see this is going to be a spirited debate. I checked in with the LB buddy through out the season. He kept saying
Brown has not changed his mind despite what he said. He wanted out every step of the way and did not want to return.
Now he admits he may have returned if pushed but the restrictions on the Pistons may have been too great for them to push the button.

8:10 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

I do not believe LB should coach next season. He needs the time off and it would be foolish for him to do so. And yes he can wait for his dream job. You let Herb Williams coach for a season and then LB takes over in 2006-2007. He is Larry Brown. He can do that. No question.

8:11 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

I am already predicting this will be our longest list of postings in Terry Foster.blogspot.com history. The previous high is 68.

8:12 AM

 
Blogger PERALES said...

I'm glad LB is gone. How can a grown man act like such an idiot?

I hope Darko punches him in the kidney and then kicks him in the stomach as he leaves the palace.

Is there anyone else the Pistons are looking at besides Flip?

8:35 AM

 
Blogger hitman said...

Good call T! You know as soon as the news broke Zeek put a HUGE offer on the table. You may be right that Larry won't take it but I can't see him turning it down...

8:45 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

The Pistons got what they deserved, if they treat their relationships based on how they have been burned in the past, that is the mark of a disfunctional organization.

Yes, you have to protect yourself from being burned, but that starts when you bring someone on board, not after they are in the organization. The pattern I see is that the Pistons organization doesn't do their homework:

1. When you bring LB in you know what you are getting. (If they are pissed, they are stupid)

2. Drafting Darko ahead of all the other drafted players that have made significant contributions to their teams.

3. Bringing in the cancer commonly known as Rasheed Wallace. This has already started backfiring and will further down the road.

These are three critical mistakes that will keep them out of Championship contention for the next 5 years.

8:54 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

T Foster...

If he has an agreement whether public or private with the Knicks organization that he will be coaching there in the future, I wouldn't consider that waiting for his dream job. He has his dream job locked up.

Essentially, he is leaving the Pistons to coach the Knicks. In that case, LB is driving this decision, and Davidson and Dumars are trying to head off the PR nightmare. Brown has these guys backed in a corner with their only viable option....Flip (what happened to the great T-Wolves) Saunders.

9:04 AM

 
Blogger Ian C. said...

I'm just relieved this drama is finally over. Let LB leave, which is apparently what he always wanted to do, and move on to a coach who wants to be here.

Sure, Flip's probably not as good a coach as LB, but he's not a hack. And he's inheriting a team that already knows how to win. Joe D will give him what he needs to succeed. All Flip has to do is not screw it up. (I realize some fans think he will.)

I know it comes down to which side you choose to believe, but I think there are just too many reporters who have written that Brown was looking to leave, Brown was essentially helping to run Cleveland while coaching the Pistons, etc., for it not to be taken seriously.

But I'm with dt - I hope a book gets written about this mess someday.

9:19 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a feeling that this could be a Randy Moss situation, addition by subtraction. Terry mentioned that a few players were upset with LB and wanted to voice their opinions but kept it in. Larry is "the greatest coach" but Randy Moss was also the "greatest reciever" and he got shown the door.

9:34 AM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

Hey Terry, great points with bringing up the November column.

I have a question- Wasn't there a "LB to retire" rumor last June? Right after we won the championship, wasn't there a brief rumor that LB was thinking of retiring?

9:40 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Randy Moss????

Where does the addition come in. I think the verdict is still out on what will happen to Minnesota.

If you are suggesting that the Pistons will get better, all I can say is WOW.

The greatest coach???
The greatest reciever???
Stretch!!!

9:45 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

CLerical Issue The tigers are truly the big winners because we have not been able to really rip the team my arrows are sharpening for Trammell.

TErry I disagree with this posting surpassing the war post. We shall see. HEre is what is killing me as I take my piston glasses off we just got rid of the best coach the piston has made the pistons relevant since Daly. Don;t say Carlisle was better the team was ready for a mutiny and watch the Pacers closely my peoples in Indy Are saying the players are already yapping. I thought the pistons recognized they had a pre madonna on their hands and should have adjusted accordingly. You can't turn a ferrari into a more controllable Celica. I know Terry Joe Dumars will get all the blame but Mr D has butted in on the wrong situation. To me, Joe is in a no win situation this season and next as well. Piston fans tend to have short term memory. LEt the pistons get bounced in the first or second round rumblings will happen calling for JOe D. Hell folks LIke TRRW won;t give the Joe the Darko Pass (even though Mello would not have blended in well and the only person that I see could have blending in was D Wade or Chris Bosch) Just like some fans are turning on Rashid even though the team reached the finals twice. HEre is another beef while the Sports Inferno was dead on LArry being dismissed the other shows were acting clueless except for D Sharp ,however Terry how are you going to let an out of town New Yorker Mark Stein scoop you guys on the date. I do give the Sports Inferno credit for bringing this up b4 anyone in town much like Drew Sharpe broke the Carlisle firing and folks were trying to call Drew Sharpe a liar and all that garbage ( I did notice no apologies came his way after he was proven right)

9:49 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

yes there were rumors that LB was thinking of retiring after last summer. I never believed it. but the rumors were there

9:55 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

addition by subtraction..you are adding to the team by losing a part..creating a better enviroment you lose all the drama with LB..

both of them can be considered best at the positions right now. thats why i used the quotes.

with minnesota, no matter who they brought in would not be Moss. Same with LB. No matter who they bring in is not going to be LB. You have to cut your losses and move on.

all this LB drama is making the part bigger than the whole and thats not the piston motto.

10:01 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Mike V I am calling you out on this one. Without Larry aka Ferrari are you trying to say that the pistons would be Champions still. What makes you great is ur emotional roller coasters but calm down and take Terry's calm cool and collected demeanor. I do agree with Terry the spin jobs will happen on all sides With Pro Pistons and Pro Larry

10:20 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Billionaire..
You know where I stand on the, "Darko Pass." Joe has to take the blame. You can't throw an opportunity for a number 2 draft pick away on a guy like Darko.

From day one I question it, partly out of ignorance... because I don't know who the guy is. But also out of general observation as to how the Euro's have had limited success playing in the NBA. You don't waste the pick on a project when you have an abundance of talent staring you in the face.

Quite frankly, Joe D got lucky with the Pistons winning the championship. Can you imagine what scrutiny he would be under if they didn't win.

I think Terry brought up a great point on the Inferno yesterday, the media should have been in Vegas evaluating whether Darko can play. I already have my answer.

10:26 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

One other point, I am glad the Laimbeer for president people have given up.

Although Flip is a down grade, Laimbeer would be, "dwelling in the basement."

Personally, I think the Pistons should have given Silas a closer look.

10:35 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Do you think, San Antonio is sitting back talking about how they caused the implosion of the Pistons?

10:47 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Ian,
Don't be surprised if a book is written about this. During a recent conversation with Dumars he said a book needs to be written about this. He is exasperated and frustrated. Don't be surprised if a regional book is written about this.

10:48 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

The questions I have now are.

What will this do for the Pistons inferiority complex?

How will they handle rejection and respond as a team?

Who will be the first to jump ship and throw Flip under the bus?

Will they even make the playoffs next year?

What will the first game against the New York Knicks led by Larry Brown be like?

10:55 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Real right way,
Lets look at Paul Silas. He killed himself in the league with his tirade against Eric Snow during a game against the Pistons. Snow is one of the model citizens in the league and Silas destroyed this guy. The word in the Pistons dressing room is Silas is an ass and they don't want to play for him. I would give you the over/under of Silas and Rasheed Wallace getting into it at 4 months.

11:00 AM

 
Blogger SportPsych Detroit said...

T,
I'd like to help you set the (blog)record by helping you set the record straight. LB wants time off. He needs time off. But the Pistons can't afford to give it to him. What started as a small battle of egos has led to intractable positions that no one is willing to back down from. In my book, LB's disingenuousness is the root of the problem -- he says he wants a break, but is refusing to sign off on the buyout b/c it requires him to not coach for someone else this year. Whatever happened to needing time off! Say it ain't so, Larry.

11:02 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

If you are thinking the Pistons won't even make the playoffs that is ridiculous. They are too good for that. The question is whether they make the NBA Finals. I think it is going to be more difficult but that is an issue we will visit later.

11:02 AM

 
Anonymous Sportsfroma2 said...

Can someone explain something for me?

Why should the pistons buyout LB?

We're going to end up paying him quite a bit of money, anyways.

Instead, why can' we just keep him on the payroll, and if wants to take another job with another team, then he would have to leave- he would have to quit. why doesn't it work like that?

11:06 AM

 
Anonymous DetroitTitanFan said...

All that keeps playing in my head is Rip (on the podeum last year at the Palace for the Championship celebration after the parade) saying to LB, "You better not leave us, you better not leave us, you better not leave us..."

11:30 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Sports,
You cannot just have LB on the payroll because of all the distractions. You cannot keep him on the payroll and tell him to not show up. If he is on the pay roll he is here as coach. And he cannot guarantee he could coach.
So who do you have coach your team?
Gar Heard?
Saunders or no other coach will come here under that. It would be too unprofessional and too detrimental for team moral.

11:30 AM

 
Blogger hitman said...

TRRW - As a Piston hater I would expect nothing less than for you to say that they were lucky for winning the championship even though two of your "three critical mistakes" were crucial assets in the championship run. And enough about the Darko pick. Nobody here is justifying the pick or defending his play. We know Joe D is not good in the draft (Matteen, White, Darko) but he doesn't usually sit on those mistakes. Joe D has done a phenomenal job getting this franchise back to relevance and I'd take him over whichever teams GM you follow, anyday...

11:47 AM

 
Blogger SportPsych Detroit said...

T,
I agree. I think LB doesn't want to be here at all. if he was so coincerned about his health, he would have no problem being paid the hush money, working for TNT, and coming back NEXT year. So why is this dragging on? Why is Larry being so two-faced. Sign the buyout. Go back to the Hamptons. Fired? Quit? Who cares!


Let's move on. BTW, I don't think flip is the right man for the job.

P.S. My blogs' personal high is 6

11:50 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

T Foster...

You are right, Rasheed and Silas would go at it. Someone needs to put Rasheeds ass on the bench if he can't control himself and continues to hurt the team.

Silas would likely do that where the other coaches have just let Rasheed embarass himself, the team, and the league.

As far as Eric Snow, I watched that game. Snow sulked for 2 quarters because he didn't get to play. When he got in and got pulled early, it was Snow that got in Silas' face. Eric Snow was not just the victim in that exchange.

Most players don't want to play for someone who will call them out. For that matter, what about Saunders and his inability to keep Sprewell and Cassell in check, my guess is the Pistons, particularly with The Cancer formerly known as Rasheed Wallace will run Saunders over.

One of Larry's best traits is knowing when to leave. He left Philly before it got ugly, now he is leaving Detroit before it gets ugly.

11:55 AM

 
Blogger DonVitoCorleone said...

Bye-bye Larry! I won't miss ya!

11:58 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Sportsfroma2...

The reason they have to buy Larry out is simple.

Larry has out maneuvered the Pistons. He is in the drivers seat and will force them to give him the ability to coach when he wants to.

Anytime you have a guy that has openly stated he doesn't want to be here, and he has a legitmate reason, "health." to take time off and disrupt the organization, he is in the drivers seat.

He will tell the Pistons what he wants for them to end his contract. Thus the negotiations, obviously he will not sign without freedom to coach elsewhere. The Pistons have to oblige or suffer the consequences of the distraction the T-Foster has mentioned.

Plan and simple beyond LB being unscrupulous, Larry might just be a better business man than a coach. After all they always say this is a business, don't they.

12:13 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

hitman...

My point was that Dumars was lucky that they won. Had they not won, Joe D would have received enormous scrutiny about drafting Darko.

Early on, Piston fans were saying, that Darko has time to develop because this is alread a championship team.

What would the response have been if they would have lost?

12:18 PM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

okay, maybe I should explain what I mean a little more-

I've heard the Pistons have 3 more years on Lb's contract, and I've heard he has like 18-21 million left on that contract.

Why can't the pistons say LB, we don't want you to coach us anymore, but since we know you want out, we want you to quit.

We will hire flip as our coach, but you'll still be on our payroll (as dead weight, like when the tigers waived Damion Easily, something like that- they'll pay him to do nothing)- if LB wants to break his contract and leave to coach somewhere else (and I'm sure he does), fine- but that'll be LB quitting. That way, the pistons don't owe him a damn thing.

12:44 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Dumars would have been dogged if they had not won a title. But I got news for you. A bunch of people still dogged him despite winning.And he is prepared for that. He knows who said what.
I simply say if you give me championships all is forgiven because that is what this game is all about.

12:57 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

I don't know about LB's contract specifically, but I would imagine it clarifies such things as how much control LB will have, duties, etc.

Must contracts at that level also have what they call a diminishment clause which state that if his role is diminished in any way he can leave with full payment.

If they don't want him to coach anymore, in essence they are firing him. Larry would be awful stupid to sign something that doesn't give him what he wants under those circumstances.

Larry has put the organization in a position where they have to fire him or buy him out. Larry is in the drivers seat.

12:58 PM

 
Blogger SportPsych Detroit said...

I know this sounds crazy, but that chip won't taste nearly as good next May, when Rick Carlisle outcoaches Flip, and we get booted from the second round with our tails between our legs...
and that is the real issue here. Not that Flip isn't as good as LB--we expected that when we hired Larry (that the next coach wouldn't be as good). What I can't accept is that the next coach is not even as good as Rick!

1:10 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not worrying yet. Let's give Flip a few weeks to get in and see what kind of moves he makes before we get freaked out.

Keep in mind, it's not like we need a coach that can build from the bottom up and make a champion. We just need a guy that can motivate them to play every night.

It's like the draft - take the best player available. In this case, not many out there would do much better.

1:40 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do people diss Flip? He's known as an innovative offensive coach, his teams all overachieved, and they played in a tougher Western Conference. If Minnesota was in the Eastern Conference they would've made the finals more than a few times. Flip also has a reputation for developing his bench and making 11-12th men effective. Look at guys like Fred Hoiberg, who took less to stay in Minnesota and play for Flip. I know Flip is no LB, but LB also isn't Flip. And lastly, at least we'll have a coach who is dedicated to the franchise and city and won't flirt with every job opening out there.

1:42 PM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Anomynuous unforntunatley for flip and the organization pistons fans have short memories. But you know what fans in general have short memories after they have been to the mountain top. Prime example folks in Boston are already panicking and calling out the Sox after they finally broke the curse. So look for irresponsible beat writers like Chris Clownski, and some journalist to play the if Larry was here card. Also look for the irresponsible host's outside of the Sports Inferno guys to play up if Larry was here card. For me I expect the pistons to have some issues. Trust does not happen overnight and look for the team to test Flip and how he responds will determine the fate of the team when it comes to playoff basketball. I am sure they will make the playoffs but how far not sure. As I have reflected it comes to egos of the Boss who writes checks and a Pre Madonna. BAsed on the pistons track record Joe D had better watch his back. Terry look some of us bloggers have clammored for you to do a book :TAKE THE HINT: TRRW I know your stuck on Darko but I strongly beleive a championship buys a good 5 year break but going back to back should allow for a 8 to 10 year pass but with the piston ownership and Tom I don;t know. I also think if folks like TErry and Mike aka Extreme continues their national perspective the pistons won;t be able to get away with stabbing folks anymore. I really hope that the sports media does it job. IT is a shame that Jason whitlock put on print b4 any columnist calling out the Pistons. To be Fair D Sharp has been very critical. I see Mike;'s part as far as blasting him 3 weeks ago however I still would have forced his hand becuase now he truly has won the PR battle. ON a past blog Nathan brought up some good ideas for Sportsinferno.com soon to come and don't forget rosie a hockney charity for cancer folks cough up some dollars

2:36 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Anonymous...

I have to disagree with you on Flip. Your comment, "his teams all overachieved, and they played in a tougher Western Conference."

Flip has underachieved, particularly last year when he was ousted for losing control of the team.

With Kevin Garnett, arguably one of the best in the NBA they should be in Western conference finals contention every year. Particularly in a year when Shaq has move east of the big river.

His team quit on him and he is the only one you can blame. Casell didn't quit on Karl, and Sprewell has had his problems, but quiting was not one of them.

2:58 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

billionaire...

The Pistons talk about wanting respect, I don't think they will ever be respected as a great franchise if they take 5 years off in between championships.

If this organization wants respect, they have to stay on track. The squandering of a number 2 draft pick sets this organization way back in terms of being able get better and keep up with the upstarts.

Terry...

You were right on today with regard to Cleveland, I think they make some noise in the playoffs particularly with the signing of Marshall. New Jersey is back, Indiana is back, and Chicago will surprise everyone.

I'm not so sure the Pistons make the playoffs, if the do, they will be bounced in the first round.

3:06 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last years Minnesota team was a basketcase. Sprewell complaining about feeding his family on $14MM/yr, Cassell doing his usual complaining about p/t and sharing the spotlight. Garnett wanting to beat up all of his teammates (he's been known to punch them). Once Saunders was let go, his team did even worse. I like Flip and think he can bring some intangibles and perspective that LB can't. Start with the bench, Darko, Delfino, Arroyo.

3:07 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

here is the bottom line Silas messed up. Even if Snow got in his face you do not tell a grown man in the NBA to get the bleep out of this arena and show him up in front of everybody.
he lost his team at that moment and the clock was ticking on his Cavs career.

3:14 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Anonymous,

Arroyo is the only one with an ounce of hope in the players you listed. Delfino with a prayer may be able to get something done, but so far, his defense is terrible.

With regard to the T-Wolves. Spree and Cassell didn't have that attitude before this past season, what happen, they were picked to win the West at the beginning of the season?

Garnett punching players???...I will take a Garnett, he is the most versatile big man in the game. Perhaps he was trying to get the team back under control since Flip couldn't.

3:18 PM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

my god-

Ater Joe glass called Jason smith from ESPN radio "chris" like 6 times, he just called Art Regner, "Chris"!!!!!

THis joe glass guy is something else

3:18 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Flip should have gotten his teams past the first round more times. But i disagree that they had the playoff talent to go to the Finals every year despite Kevin Garnet.
The Lakers had Kobe and Shaq.
San Antonio had Duncan and David Robinson and later Duncan and Ginobili.
Houston had Hakeem. Even Dallas was better with their array of stars. The West was the bomb and it would have been very difficult to advance to the NBA Finals facing those teams.

3:19 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Terry...

You are right, Silas didn't handle the Snow situation well, however, it was over long before that. When knucklehead Paxson didn't get Boozer signed last year and gave him a chance to test free agency it was over then.

Silas wanted out as Paxson and new management are boneheads.

I think Saunders inability to motivate a team that was supposed to go deep in the playoffs versus Silas loss of a team that overachieved is quite different.

3:36 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Terry you are right, I might have over stated the T-Wolves capability in the West, not every year, but certainly last year, and the year before. They should have been deep in the playoffs.

3:41 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Here is the risk you run with Silas. There are already guys in the dressing room who do not want him. He is bad news around the league with players now. You run a huge risk of him flaming out here quickly.
You do not need a tough hard ass for this team. You need someone who can squeeze the talent out of them. Not piss them off. Silas is a huge risk. You could disrupt everything.

4:13 PM

 
Blogger SportPsych Detroit said...

So T, who would YOU hire to get us out of this mess?

4:16 PM

 
Anonymous sportsfromA2 said...

not that anyone cares, but this is my coaching wishlist:

1. Greg Popovich
2. Phil Jackson
3. Nate McMillan
4. Mike Woodson
5. Mo Cheeks
6. Flip Saunders
7. Rudy T (but haven't we had enough with "health" problms?)
8. Tom Izzo
9. Scott Skiles
10. Terry Foster- Just Kidding, Doug Collins (can't think of anyone else right now)

This is a pretty fluid/flexible list, and these are just the coaches I can think of right now- what are everyone else's coaching "wishlist"?

4:43 PM

 
Blogger SportPsych Detroit said...

Not a bad list, but I was being more pragmatic: of those candidates who Joe D could reasonably be able to pry away from his current job, who would you hire?

The only ones I can see are 6th and 8th on your list, and Izzo carries a pretty substantial risk. Is there anybody legit out there, or are we sunk?

5:11 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

guys give flip saunders a chance. i know he has never won a ring. But guess what? LB never won a ring until he got here.
Chuck Daly was fired at Cleveland and never won a ring when he got here.
Phil Jackson never won a ring when he began at Chicago. His hire was ripped. Chuck Daly was ripped when he came here.
It is not so much the coach as it is the talent and whether the coach can get his message across to his players.

5:24 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

of the people left. I would hire flip saunders. I believe he can work out here.

5:27 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

real right way = idiot

6:17 PM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

you know, I don't understand the hate towards Flip Saunders and The Real Right Way.

I don't know flip, so I haven't said anything bad against him.

About TRRW, he was pretty annoying during the playoffs, and he is never going to get over the Darko pick (even though he isn't a piston fan, right?), but I don't understand why people keep hating on him? Sure he thinks too highly of Silas, but He's actually said some pretty intelligent things the last couple of weeks, and he's respectful of everyone (except Darko). If you're going to disagree with him/insult him, at least give some reasons.

BTW, I think this will we comment #60.

I think this will end up over 75, unless terry does a new posting, which will prevent too many comments on this one.

6:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure I would trust anything Brown said back in November, or today either for that matter. He's just a stream of consciousness sorta guy, he does whatever he thinks at any given moment.

I think he can't guarantee he can coach a full year, so it's best he move on. And no matter what other distractions he poses, that health thing is the most worrisome.

6:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Foster if I ever got you out on the court I WOULD BUST YOU OUT!

6:49 PM

 
Anonymous Lou said...

This just in: Larry Brown has left the Detroit Pistons and accepted President Bush's invitation to the Supreme Court.

7:20 PM

 
Anonymous dgm said...

Larry's resting?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/col/lupica/

Define "resting"!

7:21 PM

 
Anonymous Lou said...

But a year from now, he'll remark longingly that the International Criminal Court has always been his "dream" judicial appointment.

7:22 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

sportsfroma2...

My coaching list:

1. Phil Jackson
2. Gregg Popivich
3. George Karl
4. Mike D'Antoni
5. Doc Rivers
6. Byron Scott
7. Mo Cheeks

Based only on if you are going to throw some money and try and uproot someone, these would be my picks.

For the most part, these are players coaches, I have to agree with Terry, this team doesn't need an in your face guy. But, Rasheed needs some one-on-one in your face counseling. The Cancer must be dealt with.

9:17 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Spree and Cassells did not have that reputation before last season? are you kidding me? didnt spree choke a coach and he attacked other players during his career. And Sam I am always complains.

10:43 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

I am trying to get Joe Dumars on the show in the morning. The Pistons are getting murdered in the press because Joe Glass played the game the right way. He knows how to use the media better than dumars does. I think the pistons need to explain their positon.

10:50 PM

 
Anonymous sportsfromA2 said...

I'm listening to your FM sister station, and I heard two interesting things:

1. LB was offered a scouting position with the Pistons, but he turned it down

2. It's a $7 million buyout? Did I hear that correctly? And the search for a new coach has started already (duh).

10:53 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Terry...

I'm talking about quiting, they never quit on a coach before. Yes Spree is not a model citizen, nor is Cassell, but they have never quit on a coach before. Until Flip Saunders.

There has to be concern when a team quits when they are on the verge of making it to the finals. The T-Wolves had a complete meltdown, going from one game away from the finals to not even making the playoffs.

Are you telling me Saunders is obsolved from any responsibility?

11:05 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

they came into the season pissed. both wanted more money and were ticked off at management.
and i do call choking a coach quitting on him.
dont you?

11:07 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Terry...

If you get Dumars, I think he owes the Piston fans answers to the following questions:

1. Why was Larry fired, bought out, or simply no longer wanted in the organization if he wanted to stay?

2. Why would the Pistons allow Brown to leave his contract and potentially coach another team in the Eastern Conference?

3. How do the players feel about Larry's "buyout."

4. Joe, you have indicated in the past that you wanted Larry to stay, Larry stated he wanted to stay, why did this situation end this way?

Just a thought.

11:12 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

we will have joe dumars on the show at 10 in the morning. And we will ask him all those questions and more. he agreed to stay on the entire segment.

11:17 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

I guess we have to differ on this one.

I don't call choking PJ Carlisimo quitting on him. I call it immature, unable to control ones temper, and stupid.

Spreewell felt he was disrespected and reacted, I don't condone his behavior, but he didn't shut it down in the middle of what should have been a championship run. Golden State was going no where unlike the T-Wolves.

11:22 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

i simply think we will disagree on this one buck. i think when you choke a coach and you tell the front office to get you the bleep out of here that constitutes quitting. Yes he was hot headed. but that is quitting also.
And Cassell has been a bone head his entire career. putting those two on the same team was a disaster waiting to happen

11:26 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Terry...

Two more questions for Joe off the LB topic.

1. What is his assessment of Darko's performance in the summer league?

2. Based on his performance where does he see Darko fitting in next year with regard to playing time, contribution, etc?

11:26 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

No offense. but we might not get to darko. there are so many things to cover we might have to hit that during a future show.

11:28 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

I hear you Terry, I'm sure tomorrow will be action packed. I can't wait to hear the Pistons side of this saga.

Anyway had I not pose a few Darko questions, Sportsfroma2 would have been disappointed.

11:34 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

i know darko is an issue. and he should be. But we just might have a bunch of other things to get to and not enough time

11:37 PM

 
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