Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Joe Dumars at 10 a.m. and noon on the Inferno

I am leaving this space open for you to comment about the Joe Dumars interview.
He will be on the Sports Inferno at 10 a.m. and we are going to replay the interview at noon.
Listen to us on AM 1270 The Sports Station.
Tell us what you think?

78 Comments:

Blogger dt said...

The Pistons should thank their lucky stars to have a reasonable man like Joe Dumars running the show.

That's it.

10:17 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can somebody fill us in on whats being said?

10:19 AM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

I really think Joe D hates Joe Glass.

I don't know if Dumars has too much of a problem with LB, but he REALLY gets pissed with Joe Glass.

So far, awesome interview- Terry, can you get any of the players on the show?

10:21 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

First kudos to Terry and Mike for bringing some balance and I have maintained the irresponsibilty of so called sport talk show hosts for not being critical on both sides. Joe is a truly the man. I have said the pistons were going to screw him in the end but it is evident to me that Joe would be okay. Joe D is very classy. Now we got the pistons side let's see how Larry's spin masters cronies come on the best sports show in town and try spin Extreme MIke and Terry The Truth. I wonder if LArry was jealous of the lack of power

10:24 AM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

Joe D had offered LB VP of basketball operations, not just some random scouting position.

10:26 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Another observation of the interview Terry and Mike are doing a great job of asking critical questions versus the usuall love fest of the soft journalist

10:26 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

I am still dumbfounded at how LArry was offered a VP huh

10:27 AM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

The interview JUST ended-

Joe D admitted Flip is the top candidate, I ithnk this will be done by Friday, just my opinion.

10:28 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

I dont know if we will get any players but I am working on Chauncey Billups. I am doing a freelance piece on him for a Japanse magazine and I will see if he can come on the show.

10:29 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The key thing Joe said was that Larry and Joe Glass assured the Pistons he'd be there for training camp, but they said he might have to "shut it down" in the middle of the season. That made it very difficult for the Pistons, because Dumars considers it absolutely essential to eliminate any uncertainty for the players.

Put that way, you can figure the choice was replace Larry now or replace him halfway through the year without benefit of decent choices or a training camp to work in a new system.

10:31 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

I dont care what Larry says his image of a nomad will always stick to him.

10:32 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Clearly, Larry Brown did not want to be here. He put the Pistons in a position that they had to fire him.

I think the Pistons should tell it like it is, "LB put them in a position where they had to fire him or buy him out. Bottomline, the Pistons did not want him back under the circumstances that he could commit to, therefore, they bought out his contract."

In other words, "THEY FIRED HIM."

Nothing wrong with that, it's just business.

10:35 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Terry kudos to you saying the previous post would be the record. Another observation of this great interview how in the hell would Larry expect the team to go with that kind of deal. I was the biggest Larry supporter but now that I have heard the other side Joe D was right to do what he did

10:35 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dumars: not a firing, but a mutual agreement based on the Brown camp being unable to guarantee he'd be there all season without need for a replacement.

Clearly he disagreed with Glass' description of it as a firing, but did not explicitly say so.

Dumars said the team made a point of not barring Larry from coaching next year, because of his track record and his contribution in bringing the team a championship.

10:36 AM

 
Blogger Longshot01 said...

I would have liked to ask Joe what are the chances or the odds that he will make a pitch or offer compensation to Atlanta to bring back Mike Woodson as head coach? I think that he would be an excellent choice and could get maximum effort out of this group of guys more often than Flip Saunders.

10:37 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Great interview Terry.

I wish it was more timely for the Pistons sake. Someone in their PR department should be held accountable.

Nevertheless, it wouldn't matter anyway, historically, the Pistons will be the bad guys in this saga.

10:39 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

There was no need to ask the MIke Woodson question. He is under contract. You just can't grab any coach you want. You cannot even talk to Mike Woodson under contract. Although the Hawks are a bad organization you just can't raid their roster.

10:47 AM

 
Anonymous GAMETIME said...

PLEASE REPLAY THIS AT 12! I FRIGGGGGGGGIN MISSED IT...I GUESS THAT IS WHAT I GET FOR SLEEPING IN!

10:47 AM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

new conspiracy theory:

JOE GLASS (or Glass' wife).

I don't know how sports agents work, but I'm guessing they get a % of contracts.

So, it is in Joe GLass' best interest to get LB the most $$ he can, because if LB gets more $$, Joe Glass gets even more $$.

And, thee is no question LB will get a TON more money if he switches jobs now- next year the Knicks job might not be open, so maybe the money will be less next year.

If I heard Dumars right, it was Glass, not Lb who said that he can't gaurantee that he'll be there all next year.

10:48 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a bit of perspective, let's all keep in mind that PR points never won a basketball game. It really doesn't matter what outsiders think--if Joe and the organization are strong-minded enough to go about their business, the controversy will evaporate.

10:50 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

I don't know if anyone recalls, but Larry Brown has been playing the PR machine for along time.

Do you remember the piece during the playoffs when he responded to critics about being a "vagabond." He was so emotional.

Larry has his "Sh#%" together with regard to damage control. I don't know that it will help in this market, but nationally, I got to believe that people are questioning why the organization would "fire" or run off a coach that took them to the finals twice consecutively.

The problem the Pistons have is Larry Browns story has legs... Down the road, Larry will still talk about how he wanted to stay but because of health issues, they drove him out. I can hear him now. People will respond to a guy that got kicked while he was down and out, after giving the organization all he had.... Media will eat that stuff up.

On the other hand, the Pistons side will be an indictment of what is wrong with sports. Greed, ego, and the inability of successful organizations to maintain continuity.

Get ready, I predict the Larry Brown story will be played and re-played and re-re-played. While Dumars response will get lost in the national media's list of "uncompelling" an "not newsworthy" stories.

The Pistons organization will historically be seen as the villian.

10:51 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

I must say this although we have had this saga for what appears a lifetime at least we got a championship so it was worth it

10:57 AM

 
Blogger Alvin Gentry said...

If LB cameback, who would have lasted longer into their perspective seasons:
LB or Alan Trammell?

11:02 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

One more point. I know WXYT wil try and shine on this but us fans of the Sports Inferno knows the real deal.

11:04 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

95% if divorces are ugly. Particularly when kids are involved.

I can't wait to hear what the players have to say. My guess is not much, this team doesn't usually say what's on their mind publically, but it will play out with their on the court performance.

Terry, good luck getting Chauncey. Although, I would rather have a Rasheed who tends to say a little more, sometimes unknowingly.

11:05 AM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

Players I want to hear from about this Pistons coaching situation:

1. Carlos Delfino (jumping in joy?)
2. Darko Milicic (finally gets PT?)
3. Chauncey
4. Sheed
5. Big Ben
6. Tayshaun

11:09 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Don't worry. We are replaying the interview at noon because we knew you would sleep in.
See what we do for you all?

11:24 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Sportsfroma2

It would be interesting to hear from Darko, Delfino, and Arroyo. I think they might just spill their guts more so than the starters.

11:24 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Billionaire,
We are part of the station. We know they will take some credit and should. But we hustled to get this. I don't think anyone else on our station could have pulled it off on this day.

11:25 AM

 
Anonymous sportsfroma2 said...

another question popped into my head:

IF LB was bought out, were all the assistant coaches bought out too?

Maybe that would explain why this was completed right after the summer league got done? because Lb's coaching staff was running summer legue, so the pistons didn't want to make any changes until after that?

11:29 AM

 
Anonymous Brian said...

Terry,

It's nice to see that everyone can see through Joe Glass's words. It's completly obvious to me that Larry is trying to play the victim card.

I don't believe though that either side is telling the complete truth. There is truth to both sides, but ultimatly this is probably the best thing for both sides.

Terry, another thing about Drew Rosenhues (Heard your comments on the radio). I thought the story was pretty cool until what I heard him say. "I had to drop the phone, which I rarely do"
Please Drew, quit being a snake and be humble for once.

11:34 AM

 
Blogger ejthegame said...

If Flip comes to Detroit do you think that he may bring or try to bring Kevin Garnett or any other Wolves?

11:38 AM

 
Anonymous DetroitTitanFan said...

LB is like that girlfriend you have once in your life. The hottest thing you're ever going to have and you know it. The problem is she's unfaithful and you don't want to look like a fool. Your heart is torn- do I keep her and continuously have my heart (and pride) trampled on, or do I dump her knowing that I will never have anything that "good" again?

That's the situation the Pistons were in. They decided it was best for everyone to part ways even though it hurt and some are going to call them fools. I think its more foolish to stay with someone who's unfaithful.

11:38 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Kevin Garnett is under contract with the Timberwolves. I am sure the Pistons will make a play for him when he is a free agent. I do not think they would trade for him. In fact I think it is impossible unless they trade three front line players for salary cap reasons.

11:46 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love it. One of the greatest NBA coaches ever - the man who took the Pistons to a title and then took them to a 7th game in the Finals - leaves and you all act like it's the best thing that could have happened. Don't you people realize that whoever comes in here to coach won't be able to hold a candle to LB's coaching abilities?? You think Flip Saunders is the answer? THE GUY HAS BEEN OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS ONCE IN 7 YEARS WITH THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA, THAT'S WHY HE'S AVAILABLE! Do you really think he's going to just pick up where LB left off??

Yes, LB is a drama queen, an egomaniac, and comes off as wishy-washy. We had another coach like that in Detroit -- his name was Scotty Bowman, and I didn't see anyone throwing a party when he retired. ALL great coaches have a bizarre personality, it's part of the package.

While I'm sure LB didn't make it easy for the Detroit front office to want him back, the fact is you don't let a coach of his caliber run off to another team NO MATTER WHAT. He missed 17 games this season and the Pistons still went to the finals.

I can't wait until the Pistons get bounced in the 2nd round by the Heat or the Pacers or even the freaking Celtics next year. Then we'll see how much of Mr. Davidson's cornbread you're eating.

Andy

12:10 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Andy, if you can't understand the position of some fans then at least try to understand the position of the team. They would basically have to gamble the whole season on the health of a 65-year-old man with significant urological problems. Would you be criticizing the Pistons if Larry dropped out after 20 games next year and the whole season went down the drain? Somehow I bet you would.

All other things aside, ask yourself this: How hard would it be for both sides to take the high road?

The answer is, very easy. But Larry chose to make a pre-emptive strike, using his mouthpiece to spew venom to all those New York media outlets that he earlier criticized. That tells me he isn't a big enough man to hold above reproach. If he does this, he probably did a lot more. His actions have discredited his words.

12:27 PM

 
Blogger Rob said...

Terry,
Having Joe D as our man in charge was the best thing the Pistons have done. He has more class in his little finger than Joe Glass has ever had. I'm sure Joe did his homework on Flip and everything will be fine.

12:35 PM

 
Blogger PERALES said...

Truth,

As you eluded to in your show, what part of the LB saga do you think Joe Dumars add some spin to?

12:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bubble bath = darko? LOL mike!

12:55 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My main point is that people are acting like it's a great thing that we're losing one of the best coaches around. They're acting like Flip Saunders is going to be this huge upgrade. He's not. Larry Brown leaving this organization is a sad day in Detroit sports. How can you dispute that? The Pistons aren't even going to the Fianls for a long time now.

And don't you think Joe D. is putting his own spin on things? Are you just buying everything that comes out of his mouth? Yes, Joe Glass made the Pistons look like villains, but that's his job. It's also Dumars' job right now to make LB look like a total b*stard to Piston fans. Something tells me the truth lies somewhere in the middle.


Andy

12:56 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Andy,

You are right on target.

Flip is going to have some problems controlling the Cancer.

Joe certainly put his spin on it, call it what you will, Larry was fired. It doesn't really matter, but clearly his intention was to take the position that they didn't run Larry off.

1:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Run him off??? They offered him VP of Basketball Operations, he said NO. He could NOT assure the team that he could coach the full season. He lost his players by talking about NY is his dream job. He was negotiating with Gilbert DURING the ECF's.

They gave him EVERY chance to stay and be a part, he said no. The Pistons had no choice.

Some of you need to think before you speak. It's insane.

1:22 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Yes... Ran him off.

The Pistons did not want to move forward under the uncertainty. So they, "ran him off." They negotiated a buyout in essence firing the guy.

Clearly, Brown gave them the parameters that would allow him to remain as coach, yes it involved uncertainty. The Pistons could have said, ok, we trust you based on what you have delivered in the past and we will retain you as coach. No, they didn't they said your service here is done!!!

There is nothing wrong with it, it's business. From Larry Browns perspective, he could easily say, I was brought here to coach and thats what I want to do, not some undefined VP job to push me out of the scene.

I'm looking from both sides of the negotiation table.

1:29 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Terry,

After thinking about it, a great follow-up question would have been, "Based on Joe's stated admiration of Larry as a hall of famer with 30 years of coaching, and what he has done for the Pistons organization, why wouldn't they trust that he would fulfill his coaching obligations?"

1:40 PM

 
Anonymous Nathan said...

I have to go with Mikey X on this one. I can't stand hearing Joe Glass' voice. He's rediculous. The man is crazy. The man is dishonest. The man avoids tough questions (see The Big Show interviews) by attacking the people and side asking the tough questions.

Coward.

1:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Based on Joe's stated admiration of Larry as a hall of famer with 30 years of coaching, and what he has done for the Pistons organization, why wouldn't they trust that he would fulfill his coaching obligations?"

I'll give you the simple answer: Even if they trusted him, they couldn't trust his bladder. Comprende? HE HAS HEALTH ISSUES. HE HAS SPENT MONTHS ANNOUNCING HIS HEALTH ISSUES IN CAPITAL LETTERS.

1:57 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LB got what he ultimately wanted, a buyout and more options for more money. He is not a loyal guy long term and that is based on 30+ yrs of experience. His worst case right now is sit home for $7M and then come back the next year. Best case: $7M + $12M/yr for his "dream job."

Pistons would have wanted LB back w/ no baggage. However, they risk losing LB mid-season or the locker room mid-season w/ LB's histrionics. Business decision, minimize risk and go for another championship with a very talented team. If Joe D. didn't think he had a coach that could guide this team I'll bet you LB would be coming back.

the truth does lie somewhere between Joe D. and Glass Joe (Punch out) but who do you believe more? Glass Joe just sounds like a liar, I would have more sympathy for LB if Glass Joe came out and said LB wants to come back but he cannot guarantee he will be 100% healthy and the Pistons feel that it is too risky to continue with that situation so they offered a buy out.

Finally, Championship windows are smaller and smaller these days and I wouldn't want the Pistons to throw away a potential run with the situation that LB put them in. LB is the best coach around with a clean slate but he might not be the best with the baggage that he helped to create here.

2:19 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Larry "Baggage" Brown or Flip "1st Round KO" Saunders. Who do you take? I'd take LB with baggage ANY DAY over that choke job of a coach.

Andy

2:24 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Anonymous...

What will you think when he signs a multi-year deal with another organization?

Perhaps, what happened to his health issues. Or maybe, We just got played like a bango at a hillbilly reunion.

The point is, you don't give away one of your best weapons/assets without compensation or control of some sort.

During negotiations, the only way to maintain control is to call LB's bluff knowing he wants to leave.

The Pistons have made a huge mistake by allowing Brown to coach anywhere and particularly this year without any form of compensation. This element alone tells me that LB out flanked the Pistons organization. Joe Glass likely has a big bonus coming his way.

COMPRENDE'

2:38 PM

 
Blogger Ian C. said...

I'm sorry, but this idea that the Pistons are automatically consigned to losing in the first round with Flip Saunders is silly.

When Flip had his best team in Minnesota, they had the top record in the NBA and made it to the conference finals. And I think inexperience cost them in that series against the Lakers. After that run, the headcases finally showed their true colors and that team fell apart.

The Pistons are the best team Flip will ever coach, just like it was for Larry Brown. And they'll be plenty motivated to show they can win without LB.

2:40 PM

 
Anonymous DetroitTitanFan said...

the_real_right_way, why would some playoff success the last two years override 20 years of vaggabond Larry's reputation for abandoning ship on his teams? Not to mention all of his antics last year. Don't be blinded by one championship, this guy was leaving, either this summer or sometime during the season next year. It's not a question of LB v Flip, it's a question of Plip v Gar Hurr!!!

2:43 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we'll see bro....

2:48 PM

 
Anonymous sportsfromA2 said...

How come none of the "big" media outlets (like ESPn) are reporting about the Joe dumars stuff? Nobody's even mentioning all the stuff Joe D talked about today, and I'm pretty dissapointed with that.

2:55 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LB (and Glass Joe) may have made out like a bandit but you cannot let that cloud your judgment. you are assuming that the piston locker room would be status quo if LB came back, i suspect that Joe D has a better feel for the pulse of the Pistons locker room than just about anybody and if he thinks that they are better off w/o LB then you have to assume they are.

Look, you are not talking about the Clippers or the Leos here, the Pistons actually know what they are doing overall. I would say that they are probably the best run franchise in D-town and one of the best in the league. They almost put together back to backs and LB was a big part of that but you have a great roster that knows how to win and we'll see what Flip can do.

Not one person expected LB to be around for the 5 yr contract even before the ink was dry and it is an ugly exit on both sides but it might just be the best thing. If he left to go to a title contender like Indiana or Miami then I would be criticizing Joe D for not preventing that but I don't suspect that the Knicks with their 12 identical swing men are not going to be a threat for the life of a new contract.

LB put the Pistons in a spot where they couldn't win and I don't fault them for breaking him off. You just can't say for sure that they would be better off with LB + baggage at this stage in the game. My biggest concern is whether Flip can coach or contain Roscoe....

2:59 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

DetroitTitanFan..

I understand LB's reputation, the question is did the Pistons? They are the ones that hired him? They are the ones that ran him off? and They are the ones trying to save face with their fans!

I'm not blinded by their championship, I am stunned by allowing a weapon to hurt you with another team without any compensation or restriction.

3:10 PM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

SportsfromA2 you know the media. They truly want Larry in NYC. I gaurantee this LArry won;t be able to pull this crap in NYC. If you think the Sports Inferno are the only ones who are willing to look critically at the home team he is going to a media city where whenver he sneezes will be looked at critically. TRRW I could have looked at your arguement that it was the pistons firing but you can;t deny the proof TErry read about the SAn Antonio situation with Larry as well. I think there is some blame on the pistons a little bit however the moment Joe Glass was yapping you might have to have a new coach at some point in the season I mean come on now. That is like a girl claiming she likes you and all but then at some point she drops the let's be friends type deal after you done gotten to home plate and scored twice and your heart was into her but all that meant nothing. What do you do ? You know i was the biggest LB guy. He had to go I only wish Joe D would have gotten this story out a long time ago or had his tape recorder going. Terry one more thing you can try and prop WXYT but I am sorry they get no credit whatso ever. Infact had they gotten it they would have screwed around and given it to one of their flunkies and screw up the golden opportunity. Just like it seems that Perry Pharrell get;s more meaning stories than CHris Clownski

3:13 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Sportsfroma2..

The big media outlets might touch it, but it is old news now. The Pistons lost the PR game.

I looked at many headlines this morning. They all said the same thing...
"LARRY BROWN FIRED!!!"

As I mentioned before, from a historical perspective, the Pistons are the bad guys. Hate Joe Glass all you want, but he has played this masterfully.

3:14 PM

 
Anonymous Joe Glass said...

All you Pistons fans are nothing more than sheep!

3:25 PM

 
Anonymous DetroitTitanFan said...

Wow, if you are worried about the Kickerbackers (one of the worst franchises in the NBA right now) simply because they have LB, then you have very little faith in JoeD and the Pistons organization. I think the Pistons deserve a lot more respect than that.

The reason the Pistons were not demanding compensation for LB was 1) to negotiate a lower buyout price and 2) to drive home the fact they aren't trying to screw over LB

3:29 PM

 
Anonymous DetroitTitanFan said...

It's hard to argue with anything Scoop Jackson wrote in his ESPN article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/050720

3:42 PM

 
Blogger Sieva said...

Terry,
Although understandable, this whole thing is very disheartening to say the least. I still cannot comprehend why you would give up a Hall of Fame coach for a decent coach who took moons to get his team past the first round of the playoffs and finally to lose in the western conference finals?? I hope Flip is the players coach we all have heard about and We had better be competative in the Eastern finals next year and hopefully to the NBA finals. Anything short will be considered a let down and very bad move by the Pistons.

3:43 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

detroittitanfan...

Thats pretty naive. To think that the Pistons would not look to seek compensation, and or restriction on LB coaching elsewhere is absurd. That is the one area where I felt Joe was not honest.

And if he was, Joe is not the executive I thought he was. You just don't allow it. That is the epitome of LB slapping you in the face on the way out the door. In fact it was the Pistons only point of leverage. If they didn't leverage it, they simply wanted LB gone regardless of the ramafications.

I would hope that this was a point of negotiation at bear minimum. I think LB happen to be in the drivers seat so he ultimately dictated what freedom he would have. But I gotta believe Joe was at least wise enough to negotiate the issue.

3:48 PM

 
Blogger hitman said...

Now we are arguing about the negotiations?!? I realize the blame game will continue and be discussed ad nauseam but the decision is final... As a Piston fan I can't wait for Joe D to put this behind him so he can focus on strengthening the team for next season. While the other teams (NJ, Indy, Cleveland, Miami) are getting stronger Detroit has been preoccupied. The Pistons wouldn't have won the Championship next year with or without Larry if they didn't make player changes, so it's time for Joe D to play catch up.

4:27 PM

 
Blogger Dale said...

I can't believe nobody else has asked about this:

Japanese magazine? Cool--any details?

I didn't think Japan was big on any other American sport besides baseball.

4:49 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

hitman...

You're right, the decision is final, but the implications are forth coming.

Brown might just bite these guys in the ass. You don't want to hand him that opportunity on a silver platter.

5:00 PM

 
Anonymous DetroitTitanFan said...

If LB can beat the Pistons with the Knicks, then I'll personally pay whatever contract is needed to get LB back! In the meantime, I'm not losing any sleep.

5:12 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It's hard to argue with anything Scoop Jackson wrote in his ESPN article"

Seeing as how he starts the article by wrongly saying that the Pistons are paying off all three years on Larry's contract, I'd say that it's quite easy to argue with ol' Scoop.

People keep likening this to a divorce, but that's wrong. It's a Rorschach ink blot test, and all it tells you is what the commentator wants to believe. So I give up arguing it. If Larry is coaching the Knicks next year, we'll learn a lot more from how the Pistons play their old coach than we will from any of the talking heads.

6:17 PM

 
Blogger smoovethugg said...

good byyyyyye, LB, we have to keep it movin.

7:46 PM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Clerical issue Props to the Tigers won 2 out 3 but my arrows are still sharpening for Trammell and I am ready for the football the only sport that can drop the Larry Saga for good. Also the nba players did not sign off on the CBA uh oh

Smovethugg good point and as Rashid likes to say the ball don;t lie. Now I am willing to give Flip even though he is second fiddle in the true sense a fair shake. In all fairness he is the best out there. Who wants to see Laimbeer or Gar Heard on the bench. As far as the settlement If you could get out of an 18 million dollar deal and only cough up 7 million not bad at all. I say let Larry get healthy and move on to the Bricks. Props to RIchard Hamilton for taking the high road. As Joe D the pistons are class acts. Word to Isiah I would not get rid of Stephan MArbury I think LArry can do for him what he did for Chauncy and Allen

8:28 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

I have listened to Dumars on 3 stations now. He is working the curcuit albeit a little too late, but he is working it.

Regardless of what he says, the headlines will always read, "Larry Brown Fired." The first punch is usually the most painful. Joe Glass caught Bill Davidson with an upper cut like Ray Leonards famous bolo punch on Tommy Hearns.

We won't find out if Bill Davidson can get up off the canvas until next season starts.

I can't wait.

9:10 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Here is the bottom line guys. Larry Brown is a liar. He did not want to return to the Pistons next season. His agent wanted him fired. I keep saying this. Brown was telling his buddies as far back as November he did not want to return.
And to me this was the deal breaker. When the agent tells Dumars you might have to look for a new coach in the middle of the season that is ridiculous. And Brown lied and said he was offered a scouting job. Even the agent said that was not true. And I looked at clips from when Brown left San Antonio in 1992. It was as if the same story line played out.
The guy cannot be trusted

10:08 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

I agree this is a sad day for the Pistons. But a lot of sad days are followed by glad days. The Pistons had to do this. I am convinced Brown would have clowned next year.

10:10 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Hang on guys.
Larry Brown was not fired. Every time some one is cut or fired in the NBA they get the full value of their contract. Brown got $7 of $18 million. Why did he not get the full value of the contract.
And once again this is the same game he played in San Antonio. He left a meeting with owner Red McCombs. McCombs went and told his staff he thought Brown was staying. Brown told his staff "I think we got fired." The dude has got problems.

10:13 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

A number of you keep harping on Saunders getting booted in the first round with the Timberwolves. The bottom line is you win when you have the most talent. Who would you pick in a playoff series between the New York Knicks and Larry Brown or the Pistons with Saunders?
I would go with Flip.

10:16 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Come on Terry...

Call it what you want, they got rid of the guy. Whether you call it buyout or firing, it doesn't matter.

They wanted him gone, he didn't want to be here, they did however have an opportunity to retain the guy with uncertainty. They didn't want that.

I don't blame the Pistons, but in my book the guy was no longer wanted here under the conditions that he put forth.

Bottomline, the headlines will always read fired. The Pistons should give up on the semantics. They have lost the PR war.

10:27 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Terry,

I don't know that Brown has a problem, I think he played the Pistons and they let him get everything he wanted.

I don't agree with them on letting him coach elsewhere without compensation. Particularly if he is indeed a liar, as well as the other representations that are being bantered about.

Something is not right with this picture.

10:34 PM

 
Blogger dt said...

trrw -

It's pretty simple. If Larry Brown was fired, he gets the full value of his contract ($ 18 million)

Since it was a mutually negotiated buyout, he gets $ 7 million and he is free to work next year anywhere he pleases.

Basically, the Pistons decided that $ 11 million was worth more than any compensation they might have received from the Knicks. (Second round draft pick??!)

7:31 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

dt..

That's one way to look at it.

The other is that Larry said these are the conditions that I can return under(uncertainty).

The Pistons said no.
We can't have you under those circumstance so we will pay you your full contract and you can't coach anywhere else.

Larry would obviously counter with no. The Pistons would then counter with if you want to coach without restrictions then we will buy your contract out for 7 million.

The point is, they first reached the decision that they no longer wanted his services that were still available to them.

Therefore, they fired him.

Quite frankly, it doesn't really matter. They don't want him here, he doesn't want to be here. The Pistons make the final decision as to whether he is here or not, in my mind that constitutes retaining or firing someone.

How you end the contract is secondary.

11:18 AM

 

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