Wednesday, August 10, 2005

PLAYER REVOLT COULD SACK TRAM

Only a player revolt could result in the firing of Tigers Manager Alan Trammell.
According to my sources Trammell is safe for another season even if Tigers President Dave Dombrowski recommends he be fired. That's because Tigers owner Mike Ilitch wants to give him one more chance.
But Tram is not totally safe.
The problem is a revolt is brewing in the Tigers clubhouse. Add Brandon Inge, Craig Monroe, Rondell White and Pudge Rodriguez to the list of players who are angry because they felt the organization gave up on them when they slid in Oakland.
They've kept it under wraps so far, but we've seen a regression on the field since the Kyle Farnsworth deal that opened up old wounds.
Dmitri Young has replaced Rodriguez as clubhouse leader. He has kept guys cool while Pudge sulks and leads a group of players who want out.
There is plenty of friction. Some of it is directed at Trammell, but most is aimed at Dombrowski. Players question whether he is the guy to lead the team. Quietly the Tigers moved into the top half of payrolls in Major League Baseball, yet they continue to crawl with the worms.
Player anger is also directed at Tigers hitting/bench coach Kirk Gibson because he commands Trammell's ear and folks believe Gibson is the one who pushed to keep Bobby Higginson around at the beginning of the season when most in the clubhouse believed it was time to bring in Marcus Thames. Ilitch agreed to eat Higginson's contract, but he was retained any way.
That wound never healed although Higgy is on the injured list.
So what happens?
My guess is the Tigers need scape goats. Trammell stays unless the revolution is so loud that Ilitch cannot ignore it.
Look for hitting/bench coach Bruce Fields to be fired. They already fired him two seasons ago, but kept him following an appeal by Dmitri Young. Fields was given the title of bench coach a few weeks ago, but Gibson remains second in charge.
That should tell you something there.
And do not be surprised if bullpen coach Lance Parrish leaves, either on his own accord or by Trammell.
It's a mess at Comerica Park. But I am not telling ground breaking news here to people who watch games. The decline is easy to see.

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Blogger billionaire said...

Terry I have to call out Trams on this one. But first let me say this Bruce Fields more than likely should have been the manager in the first place. He had the experience and I think he would handled alot of the incidents in the club house differently. I know Dave Dombroski has done a good job to bring the organiziton to respectability but he has to hold a meeting with the players and squash everthing. We know that Farnsworth was a punk move but the players also should be professional about it as well. I will say this you have no confidence in your manager it is hard to muster the energy needed to win. Trams will prolly skate and I think it is because he took the bullet for the minor league team starting a Bobby Higginson yikes but still he should have grown but he still looks like a deer in headlights.

7:34 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Pudge should keep his mouth shut and try to improve on his .260 batting average. This is a guy the Tigers significantly overpaid to come in and perform and be a LEADER. He did a nice job last season, but has done neither this season. Acting like a jackass in the clubhouse and stirring up trouble isn't going to entice any free agents this coming offseason.

Who knows, maybe it's a side effect of having to come off the roids. What a punk.

Andy

7:41 AM

 
Blogger dt said...

Let's have a recap here as to the responsibilities of the GM and the Manager. It is the GM's job to acquire talent. It is the manager's job to get that talent to be professional and to play its best.

So who has done the better job there - Dombrowski or Trammell? It's really no contest.

When Dave Dombrowski arrived the talent at Comerica was Triple-A level at best. In his four years, he has brought in bona fide major league talent at all eight positions. He has revamped the scouting system. He has stockpiled the organization with live arms. He has drafted well.

Meanwhile, I'm still looking for the FIRST discernable impact that Alan Trammell has made on this organization as a manager.

I'm not defending the Farnsowrth deal, but I do understand it. This organization cannot yet afford to lose talent for nothing. But those players that are bitching now should look in the mirror because THEY are the ones that could have stopped the Farnsworth deal by playing better all year. Instead, they have grossly underperformed to the point where DD felt he had to get something in return.

And they should also keep in mind, the ultimate goal is to win CHAMPIONSHIPS, not simply compete for .500 and a wild card.

Of the four players you reference - Monroe, White, Inge & Pudge - only Craig Monroe should be a concern. He should be identified as a cornerstone of this franchise. He is relatively young and is as close to a five tool player as we have. Inge is going to pout his way out of town - trust me on that one, he’s done. He's hit 240 for the past two plus MONTHS and that ain't cuttin' it for a marginal third baseman to begin with, especially one that chooses to mouth off when he is rightfully placed on the bench.

Rondell White has performed admirably, but has simply been a stop gap player for us. He’s 33 and not part of the future. And as for Pudge – his personal issues notwithstanding – he’s free to leave any time. He has been worth his money from the standpoint of giving this team instant identity and respectability, but not from a performance standpoint. He is the worst .290 hitter in baseball right now and has been since last year’s All-Star game. He doesn’t walk, nor does he drive in runs. He should be grateful that DD was willing to pay him $ 40 million of Mike Ilitch’s money when no one else would. And we won’t even get into his incredible “weight loss” this year.

The core, the leaders and the future of this organization lie with players such as Guillen, Sheldon, Polanco, Monroe, Infante, Logan and Granderson. And I’m still not certain if the complaints of four underperforming athletes truly constitute a revolt. Suffice it to say every clubhouse on every pro team in America has unhappy players.

And, finally, how about some dap for Dmitri Young? The word when he came over from Cincinnati, was that he was a pro – both as a hitter and as a clubhouse guy. He has does nothing but enhance that image since he has been here in my mind. Despite his own struggles offensively, despite the emergence of Chris Sheldon at first base, DY does nothing but try to help this ballclub. THERE’s a future manager someday.

The managerial and coaching staff needs a complete overhaul. If Kirk Gibson staked his baseball future on a washed-up Bobby Higginson, well that’s admirable friendship but lousy baseball. Bruce Fields and Juan Samuel are respected and established baseball men that must be salvaged from this debacle. Otherwise, the Tigers will be taking a big step back.

It’s time for these pouting players to shut up, grow up and own up because if you stack up everyone’s job performance within the Tigers organization over the past 12 months, Dave Dombrowski wins in a landslide.

8:52 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

anonymous...

You can't really count on him or any other player that has dropped significant weight after MLB started getting serious about steroids (wink..wink)

In fact, it doesn't appear that you can count on those that have proclaimed their innocence in front of the idiots that wasted tax payers money in Congress.

The Tigers paid for a giant player with a big bat. Now, he can no longer swing that big bat. I wonder why. wink..wink

Quite frankly, MLB gets what they deserve signing these alleged juicers to big contracts, knowing what they know or should know.

This game is a sham.

9:06 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

TRRW here is another group that deserves a major black eye. The beat writers on each team and medical personal. I am positive they all knew that players were dirty. NOw they want to act all surprised.

9:18 AM

 
Anonymous DetroitTitanFan said...

Anyone want to buy some Tiger tickets??? This club is quickly sliding back into the "who cares" when does football start rut they have been in for 15 years.

9:25 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm just furious because I thought the unprofessional attitude went out the door with Jeff Weaver and the 2003 season. When Pudge came in he was supposed to bring the "new attitude" to the clubhouse after that disaster of a season. Instead, it looks like we're headed down the same rabbit hole again BECAUSE of Pudge. Unreal.

9:27 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Clerical Issue

I just read the synopsis of the Tourney On Sports Rag and you can definitly tell there is a slant on WDFN. However some of their comments are funny, cold hearted and dwon right ugly. Did they really have to put Eric Pate on blast. I don;t understand how Sean Annoying Voice Balegian is ahead of Terry and Mike. They have Mike at 350 to 1 odds on winning. Tom Kowalski who has dropped the ball quite a few times on the lion beat is ahead of Mike and Terry. I do agree with their assessment on SandL but they really needed to add in WDFN morning show as well and Sean too and the Big show. I wonder what's their criteria It appears it's one of those it's personal type deal. Terry and Mike I hope to God you don;t one of those 64 bracket deals on your show.

One more thing on pudge I wonder what steroid did he use. I know innocent until proven guilty but in baseball you have prove your innocence

9:41 AM

 
Anonymous Biff said...

Yes, Pudge LITE should shut up, we all know he was roided up. Tram needs to be fired. The Tigers have another dead season on their hands.

And I do believe XYT is better than DFN. Jamie has a big head now (figuratively as well as literally), Brady has never improved, Stupey and Blowhole have always been fingernails on a chalkboard. However, XYT is sinking with Valenti "don't boo Joey" (PLEEEASE!) and "I hate Detroit" Lund. We need some new HOME GROWN talent up in here.

9:54 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Biff come on the fans that booed were dead wrong. I have taken Mike to task on this blog plenty of times but he was right on. Sportsinferno is the light on WXYT.

9:59 AM

 
Anonymous biff said...

billionaire,

fair enough - but you will all see once Joey tanks another season, the 48th in a row w/o a championship. He knows it's his last chance.

10:13 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

billionaire, can you post a link to Mike's blog? Thanks!

10:29 AM

 
Blogger Ian C. said...

Wow, I have nothing to add, other than it's so depressing that the season has fallen into this. I agree with billionaire that Fields probably should've been named manager originally, though it wouldn't have been as popular a choice as Tram. And dt said everything that needed to be said, especially in regards to Pudge and Dmitri.

10:36 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

billionaire...

Speaking of the tournament, I see Angelique Chengelis beat Regner. I have never seen her before, did her looks give her the edge, or does she have a face for radio?

biff..

I agree with your assessment of XWT v. DFN with the exception of Mike. Lions fans have their heads deep on this one. In my view, this team is positioned (finally) to do some damage. Driving the QB to act like Ry1an Leaf is the wrong thing to do now.

10:45 AM

 
Anonymous Brian said...

I'm still pissed about the Farnsworth trade. That Colon guy has like a 19.58 ERA with the Tigers. I don't care if Farnsworth was a Free Agent at the end of the year, he was pitching lights out and giving the Tigers a chance to win.

Although, I see both sides. Dombrowski knows that the Tigers weren't/aren't going anywhere this year. They win 5 games get over .500, then lose the next 8 out of 10. Obviously, this team is still missing some pieces to the puzzle. Maybe Dombrowski knew that they weren't going to get Farnsworth back, so why not try to get something for him?

As far as all the clubhouse politics, who cares. Play ball.

11:34 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with DT, put up or shut up.

11:36 AM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Off Topic...

This came up a few days ago and I thought it was interesting that Jeb Bush is getting involved.


'It's ridiculous'
Gov. Bush criticizes NCAA ban on FSU's nickname


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/ncaa/specials/preview/2005/08/09/bc.fl.floridast.seminol.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

I really found this excerpt to be typical of the uninformed who get involved with preconceived stereotypes:

Bush said the NCAA must have better things to do that sit around worrying about the nicknames adopted by its member institutions.

"You know what they ought to be worried about? The graduation rates of most college athletes," the second-term Florida governor said.

"Maybe if they had some suggestions on that, that universities could apply and could implement, they could be doing a service to all of us."

NCAA spokesman Williams noted that student athletes, on the average graduate at a higher rate than the average student.


All I can say is, "there is bad genes in that household."

11:57 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Jeb Bush look who's talking. Florida needs to be worried more about hurricaines, voting issues, the economy, the war. I don't know if mike has a blog. Ian good point on the PR move by the tigers.

12:21 PM

 
Blogger Tom said...

dt is right on with this one. The 84 gang was put in charge to bring people to the park at a time when the talent couldn't. These guys had no experience and should not have been put in charge of a rebuilding team. When they do get broomed out, all that will have been accomplished is tarnishing the names of 3 of the great heroes of 84. Which was the only positive aspect the fans could hold on to about this orgainization in the past 20 years.

12:25 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Terry -

I'm seriously wondering - will Higginson even come back this year? What's up with him? (Save the jokes, please, people - I'm just curious)

3:23 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Higgy is not coming back this season. If he does d young might punch him and Gibby.

7:20 PM

 
Blogger SportPsych Detroit said...

Stick a fork in em. For whatever reason, this year's team did not play with the same fire last year's team had. Last year's team was winning games with walkoff HR's, clutch performances, and a camaraderie that this team never developed.

This team needs a bookend power pitcher, a left-handed (real) power bat, and a rebuilt bullpen. Who would've thought the 7-8-9 inning guys pencilled in on Opening Day wouldn't even make it to August 1st?

Do they have a plan? Let Tram be the new "community relations" guy, and get someone who (a) knows how to manage the game and (b) knows how to get players to play to their potential.

I have no suggestions.

7:45 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with you here. The players are not happy and are showing their displeasure every time they take the field. Trammell has no respect as a manager. He is losing control in the clubhouse and isn't that what happened to a couple of other former Tiger managers? Trammell and Gibson may both be crying over their beers real soon. Gibson has no respect from anyone, not players or front office, he was basically Trammells boy and that is the only reason he got the job. There is a reason he NEVER worked for the Tiger organization before this.

12:10 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a shame these so call big swingers haven't learned to hit the ballthe opposite way.That,sGibsons and Fields fault so lets put some of the blame where it belongs?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sheldon Player has released his much anticipated bottled water Jackson Hole H2O. Sheldon Player started the water company out of his ranch in Jackson Hole Wyoming. Sheldon player has grown the company to be a national success and plans to target huge market growth.
Jackson Hole, WY (PRWeb) February 27, 2007 -- Sheldon Player announces Jackson Hole H2O is a highly anticipated bottled water beverage that began hitting the shelves early this year. Since the initial release of Jackson Hole H2O, a lot of excitement has been generated throughout the retail beverage industry. "Retailers nationwide have been inquiring about our product," says Sheldon Player

Jackson Hole H2O has been scouring the nation looking for distribution points and local retailers to stock the superb bottled water product. "We are trying to get Jackson Hole H2O on the shelves before launching a large scale advertising campaign," stated Sheldon Player.

Sheldon Player started Jackson Hole H2O to answer the public demand that people have to consume only extremely pure Bottled Water. "Gone are the days of selling products with a fancy label," recalls Player. Our products only contain the purest water from Glacial reserves. Sheldon Player insists that you will be exceptionally refreshed at the pleasant taste of our pure bottled drinking water.

For more information about Sheldon Player's Jackson Hole H2O bottled water, visit our website:

Sheldon Player Jackson Hole H2O

Sheldon Player
Jackson Hole H2O

8:15 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sheldon Player has released his much anticipated bottled water Jackson Hole H2O. Sheldon Player started the water company out of his ranch in Jackson Hole Wyoming. Sheldon player has grown the company to be a national success and plans to target huge market growth.
Jackson Hole, WY (PRWeb) February 27, 2007 -- Sheldon Player announces Jackson Hole H2O is a highly anticipated bottled water beverage that began hitting the shelves early this year. Since the initial release of Jackson Hole H2O, a lot of excitement has been generated throughout the retail beverage industry. "Retailers nationwide have been inquiring about our product," says Sheldon Player

Jackson Hole H2O has been scouring the nation looking for distribution points and local retailers to stock the superb bottled water product. "We are trying to get Jackson Hole H2O on the shelves before launching a large scale advertising campaign," stated Sheldon Player.

Sheldon Player started Jackson Hole H2O to answer the public demand that people have to consume only extremely pure Bottled Water. "Gone are the days of selling products with a fancy label," recalls Player. Our products only contain the purest water from Glacial reserves. Sheldon Player insists that you will be exceptionally refreshed at the pleasant taste of our pure bottled drinking water.

For more information about Sheldon Player's Jackson Hole H2O bottled water, visit our website:

Sheldon Player Jackson Hole H2O

Sheldon Player
Jackson Hole H2O

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