Thursday, August 11, 2005


This is debate number one.
Let's assume there are no upcoming Tiger miracles. They finish a few games below .500 and go out like a lamb. You are now Tigers owner Mike Ilitch and your team President Dave Dombrowski walks in and recommends that manager Alan Trammell be fired along with his entire staff.
Here are your options.
1. Do you tell Dombrowski to give Trammell one more season?
2. Do you say yes, blow out the entire staff, and lets start over.
3. Do make Bruce Fields or Kirk Gibson Tigers manager?
Let the debate begin.


Blogger Kent Herriman said...

Blow out the staff and get us a real manager.

8:16 AM

Blogger Tom said...

Go with 2. Get rid of the 84 gang and get to the business of winning games.

8:19 AM

Blogger Nick said...

Get rid of Tram, but with him goes, Inge, White, I hate to say it, but Monroe, and the other 3 utility guys we have. That's not even to mentoin the pitching staff. It's not all coaching. Stupid decisions have somehting to do with it, sure. But it's the players too. Not hitting is rediculuos. That is what you are paid to do , and they can't do it. Our STARTERS are doing they're job for the most part. The lineup isn;t giving any support whatsoever.

8:53 AM

Blogger Leelanau Sports Guy said...

My heart tells me #3. I think Bruce Fields would be a fine manager.

But my brain tells me #2.

8:59 AM

Blogger billionaire said...

I say 3. Keep Bruce Fields and toss the rest. I think Bruce can do the job look at his MInor league credentials. Mike hit on something about the manager. The big leagues is no room for text book. You use and practice that textbook in the Minors nall take that back in middle and highschool.

9:00 AM

Anonymous DetroitTitanFan said...

Ilitch needs only to look at his own embarrassing and pathetic record as a baseball owner and then looks at Dombrowski's record over his career to decide which instinct to go with - Dombrowski's or his own. There's no question Ilitch should get out of the way and follow Dombrowski's advice.

10:11 AM

Anonymous sportsfromA2 said...

I really, really, hope it's #2-

I'm tired of the tigers organization living in the past- we need some new faces who will come in and look at the talent (or lack of) that's on the roster now, and go from there.

If we keep getting people from the past, they will always be afraid to rock the boat and might keep people around for senimental reasons (ex: Higgy).

I think the tigers NEED new faces. I don't care what it takes, I want someone from either Oakland or Atlanta on the staff- I don't keep track of baseball managers any, but I'm always impressed at how sucessful these coaches are even though they don't depend on big bats or high payrolls.

If the ChiSox let the tigers talk to their pitching coach, I would love to have him here. The thing that I love about the staffs at Oakland, Atlanta, And the ChiSox is that these guys just seem smarter than other people, and they might take risks- I would love for the tigers to be the aggressive team once in awhile- Tram is boring.

10:13 AM

Blogger Ian C. said...

I say #2, if someone along the lines of Buck Showalter - someone who has major league managing experience and has turned teams from nothing into something - is available.

As much as I'd like to see the Tigers take someone from a successful organization (Oakland, Atlanta, et al) also, I think another first-time manager, no matter how qualified, is a tough sell.

So #3 looks pretty good to me. I think Fields should've gotten the job in the first place, and not enough guys who paid their dues in the minors are getting a shot in the majors, getting passed over for former players or guys out of the broadcast booth.

11:10 AM

Anonymous Biff said...

Let the staff get blow'd up. Get someone with a temper in here, like Pinella. FIRE EM UP!! Nice guys finish 43-119.

11:25 AM

Blogger Rob said...

I liked Tram as a player but I have watched just about every game on TV and went to a couple of games, I am not an expert but he doesn't seem to know what to do with the pitching staff. He either leaves them in to long or pulls them to soon. I don't know how many times where my wife and I will be watching them and I'll tell her he needs to get the starter out and one or two pitches later the ball flies out of the park or they hit a double with a runner at first. He looks lost when they show is face on TV during times where he needs to make the call on the starter. I am sure Dave Dombroski has seen this too. I don't know how he couldn't see it.

12:38 PM

Blogger SportPsych Detroit said...

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

The team as currently constructed is an 85-win team at best. That is, if several players have career seasons at once.

They need to bring in a proven manager who will be tough, and disciplined (but not a hot-head like Lou Piniella).

Clearly, they need to go out and grab some real talent, and stop trying to convince themselves and us -- the fans-- that these guys can become all star-caliber

2:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What in the hell makes you think Kirk Gibson can manage a team? He is the same self centered sorry piece of crap he always was. Even Brandon "Kumbaya" Inge is not responding to him as a coach. Bruce Fields should have had this job in the first place. Gibson should never have been on the staff at all. Maybe if Trammel listened to Fields, or even Lance Parrish, who has managed in the past, he wouldn't be in the position he is in now. Why does Trammel look like he is constipated in the dugout every game? If I were a player looking at all of the "many faces of Trammel", I wouldn't be enthusiastic about playing day in and out for him either. Gibson and Trammel need to be shown the door, and neither one should be offered a token position in the organization either.

12:00 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no idea what you guys expect of out Tram with this group on the field. Sure the knee jerk reaction is to fire him, but it makes no sense.

What this team needs is an upgrade of talent as several positions. We have far too many players with the same skill sets that bring nothing new to the table. Nobody is taking walks and getting on base.

The lineup is looks better than it is because right now, like 5 of the players are over .300. Face it, we have several guys who are single hitters, hitting singles when nobody else is on base.

And not trams fault.

7:43 PM

Blogger Joe (Livonia, MI) said...

#1-Firing the coach is basically the typical Detroit knee-jerk reaction, and it rarely works, and only when a hall of famer (Bowman, Larry Brown) is waiting in the wings. Trammell may not have done great things with this year's club, but he was talked about semi-seriously as a possible manager of the year last year after a 29 game improvement in the standings, and he has had to deal with 4 closers, 2 high priced free agents missing significant amounts of time, a hobbled Guillen, a whiny Pudge off steroids, etc. Even if he has cost us a few games with pitching mistakes, for the most part, I don't see any other manager in MLB getting this team to any better than .500 at this juncture.

Given that he took one for the team in 2003, I think he deserves one year of a healthy roster without major disruptions to see what he can do. The only way you fire him is if a clear upgrade can be had.

10:24 PM


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